James Harden vs. Lou Williams Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Lou Williams and James Harden, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season / Games against each other

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

James Harden played 15 years in the NBA, 2 less than Lou Williams, who played 17. James Harden had the first of his seasons in 2009-10, while Lou Williams had his rookie season in 2005-06. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achivements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers
Player	Total Seasons	Playoffs Played	NBA Years
James Harden	15	15	2009-10 to 2023-24
Lou Williams	17	10	2005-06 to 2021-22

Comparison Season by Season
Jump to season: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17


Rookie Season
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2009-10	2005-06
Team	Oklahoma City Thunder	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards	All-Rookie Second Team	-
Playoffs	Thunder Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	76	22.9	9.9	0.6	2.6	3.2	1.8	1.1	0.3	1.4	2.6	3.1	7.6	.403	1.2	3.3	.375	2.6	3.2	.808
Lou Williams	30	4.8	1.9	0.1	0.5	0.6	0.3	0.2	0.0	0.4	0.4	0.8	1.7	.442	0.1	0.3	.222	0.3	0.4	.615

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	6	20.0	7.7	0.2	2.3	2.5	1.8	1.0	0.2	0.5	2.3	2.0	5.2	.387	1.0	2.7	.375	2.7	3.2	.842
Lou Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 2
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2010-11	2006-07
Team	Oklahoma City Thunder	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Thunder Lost West Conf Finals	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	82	26.7	12.2	0.5	2.6	3.1	2.1	1.1	0.3	1.3	2.5	3.6	8.3	.436	1.4	4.0	.349	3.5	4.2	.843
Lou Williams	61	11.3	4.3	0.3	0.9	1.1	1.8	0.4	0.0	0.8	0.7	1.5	3.5	.441	0.2	0.6	.324	1.0	1.5	.696

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	17	31.6	13.0	0.6	4.8	5.4	3.6	1.2	0.8	1.6	2.8	3.9	8.2	.475	1.4	4.5	.303	3.9	4.7	.825
Lou Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 3
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2011-12	2007-08
Team	Oklahoma City Thunder	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards	Sixth Man of the Year	-
Playoffs	Thunder Lost NBA Finals	76ers Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	62	31.4	16.8	0.5	3.6	4.1	3.7	1.0	0.2	2.2	2.4	5.0	10.1	.491	1.8	4.7	.390	5.0	6.0	.846
Lou Williams	80	23.3	11.5	0.5	1.6	2.1	3.2	1.0	0.2	1.6	1.6	4.0	9.4	.424	0.7	1.9	.359	2.8	3.6	.783

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	20	31.5	16.3	0.7	4.5	5.1	3.4	1.6	0.1	2.1	3.4	4.7	10.7	.435	1.6	3.9	.410	5.4	6.3	.857
Lou Williams	6	22.5	12.0	0.5	1.5	2.0	2.0	1.0	0.0	1.2	1.8	4.0	10.0	.400	0.3	1.5	.222	3.7	5.0	.733


Season 4
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2012-13	2008-09
Team	Houston Rockets	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards	All-NBA Third Team	-
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Rockets Lost West Conf 1st Rd	76ers Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	78	38.3	25.9	0.8	4.1	4.9	5.8	1.8	0.5	3.8	2.3	7.5	17.1	.438	2.3	6.2	.368	8.6	10.2	.851
Lou Williams	81	23.7	12.8	0.4	1.6	2.0	3.0	1.0	0.2	1.9	1.6	4.1	10.4	.398	0.8	2.7	.286	3.8	4.8	.790

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	6	40.5	26.3	0.8	5.8	6.7	4.5	2.0	1.0	4.5	3.0	7.5	19.2	.391	2.5	7.3	.341	8.8	11.0	.803
Lou Williams	6	24.8	9.7	0.3	2.2	2.5	2.8	0.5	0.2	2.0	1.7	3.5	8.5	.412	1.0	2.7	.375	1.7	2.5	.667


Season 5
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2013-14	2009-10
Team	Houston Rockets	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards	All-NBA First Team	-
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Rockets Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	73	38.0	25.4	0.8	3.9	4.7	6.1	1.6	0.4	3.6	2.4	7.5	16.5	.456	2.4	6.6	.366	7.9	9.1	.866
Lou Williams	64	29.9	14.0	0.4	2.5	2.9	4.2	1.3	0.2	1.7	1.7	5.0	10.6	.470	1.1	3.2	.340	3.0	3.6	.824

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	6	43.8	26.8	0.8	3.8	4.7	5.8	2.0	0.2	3.5	3.5	8.3	22.2	.376	2.7	9.0	.296	7.5	8.3	.900
Lou Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 6
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2014-15	2010-11
Team	Houston Rockets	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards	All-NBA First Team	-
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Rockets Lost West Conf Finals	76ers Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	81	36.8	27.4	0.9	4.7	5.7	7.0	1.9	0.7	4.0	2.6	8.0	18.1	.440	2.6	6.9	.375	8.8	10.2	.868
Lou Williams	75	23.3	13.7	0.4	1.6	2.0	3.4	0.6	0.2	1.4	1.7	4.3	10.6	.406	1.2	3.4	.348	3.9	4.7	.823

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	17	37.4	27.2	0.7	5.0	5.7	7.5	1.6	0.4	4.5	2.9	7.6	17.3	.439	2.4	6.3	.383	9.6	10.5	.916
Lou Williams	5	26.0	10.8	0.0	1.6	1.6	3.0	1.0	0.0	0.8	1.2	3.4	10.4	.327	1.2	4.0	.300	2.8	3.8	.737


Season 7
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2015-16	2011-12
Team	Houston Rockets	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Rockets Lost West Conf 1st Rd	76ers Lost East Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	82	38.1	29.0	0.8	5.3	6.1	7.5	1.7	0.6	4.6	2.8	8.7	19.7	.439	2.9	8.0	.359	8.8	10.2	.860
Lou Williams	64	26.3	14.9	0.5	2.0	2.4	3.5	0.8	0.3	1.1	1.4	5.0	12.2	.407	1.3	3.6	.362	3.7	4.6	.812

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	5	38.6	26.6	1.4	3.8	5.2	7.6	2.4	0.2	5.2	2.6	8.2	20.0	.410	2.6	8.4	.310	7.6	9.0	.844
Lou Williams	13	27.5	11.5	0.2	1.8	2.1	3.0	1.0	0.0	1.2	1.3	3.8	10.9	.352	0.6	3.7	.167	3.2	4.0	.788


Season 8
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2016-17	2012-13
Team	Houston Rockets	Atlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards	All-NBA First Team	-
	Assists Leader	-
	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Rockets Lost West Conf Semis	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	81	36.4	29.1	1.2	7.0	8.1	11.2	1.5	0.5	5.7	2.7	8.3	18.9	.440	3.2	9.3	.347	9.2	10.9	.847
Lou Williams	39	28.7	14.1	0.2	1.8	2.1	3.6	1.1	0.3	1.9	1.4	4.8	11.4	.422	1.8	5.0	.367	2.7	3.1	.868

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	11	37.0	28.5	0.6	4.8	5.5	8.5	1.9	0.5	5.4	3.9	8.2	19.8	.413	2.9	10.5	.278	9.2	10.5	.878
Lou Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 9
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2017-18	2013-14
Team	Houston Rockets	Atlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards	Season MVP	-
	All-NBA First Team	-
	Scoring Leader	-
	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Rockets Lost West Conf Finals	Hawks Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	72	35.4	30.4	0.6	4.8	5.4	8.8	1.8	0.7	4.4	2.3	9.0	20.1	.449	3.7	10.0	.367	8.7	10.1	.858
Lou Williams	60	24.1	10.4	0.2	1.9	2.1	3.5	0.8	0.1	1.5	1.1	3.3	8.2	.400	1.3	3.9	.342	2.5	3.0	.849

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	17	36.5	28.6	0.8	4.4	5.2	6.8	2.2	0.6	3.8	2.7	9.3	22.6	.410	3.1	10.2	.299	6.9	7.8	.887
Lou Williams	7	19.0	8.3	0.0	2.3	2.3	1.1	1.0	0.1	1.9	1.4	2.7	7.1	.380	0.7	2.3	.313	2.1	2.3	.938


Season 10
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2018-19	2014-15
Team	Houston Rockets	Toronto Raptors
Honors & Awards	All-NBA First Team	-
	-	Sixth Man of the Year
	Scoring Leader	-
	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Rockets Lost West Conf Semis	Raptors Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	78	36.8	36.1	0.8	5.8	6.6	7.5	2.0	0.7	5.0	3.1	10.8	24.5	.442	4.8	13.2	.368	9.7	11.0	.879
Lou Williams	80	25.2	15.5	0.3	1.6	1.9	2.1	1.1	0.1	1.3	1.3	4.7	11.6	.404	1.9	5.6	.340	4.3	4.9	.861

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	11	38.5	31.6	0.8	6.0	6.8	6.6	2.2	0.9	4.6	3.7	9.9	24.0	.413	4.4	12.5	.350	7.5	8.9	.837
Lou Williams	4	25.5	12.8	0.5	1.3	1.8	1.3	1.5	0.0	0.8	2.3	4.0	12.8	.314	1.0	5.3	.190	3.8	4.5	.833


Season 11
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2019-20	2015-16
Team	Houston Rockets	Los Angeles Lakers
Honors & Awards	All-NBA First Team	-
	Scoring Leader	-
	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Rockets Lost West Conf Semis	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	68	36.5	34.3	1.0	5.5	6.6	7.5	1.8	0.9	4.5	3.3	9.9	22.3	.444	4.4	12.4	.355	10.2	11.8	.865
Lou Williams	67	28.5	15.3	0.5	2.1	2.5	2.5	0.9	0.3	1.6	1.6	4.2	10.3	.408	1.6	4.8	.344	5.3	6.3	.830

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	12	37.3	29.6	1.0	4.6	5.6	7.7	1.5	0.8	3.8	3.6	9.1	19.0	.478	3.3	9.8	.333	8.2	9.7	.845
Lou Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 12
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2020-21	2016-17
Team	Houston Rockets, Brooklyn Nets	Los Angeles Lakers, Houston Rockets
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Nets Lost East Conf Semis	Rockets Lost West Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	44	36.6	24.6	0.8	7.1	7.9	10.8	1.2	0.8	4.0	2.3	7.8	16.7	.466	2.8	7.6	.362	6.3	7.3	.861
Lou Williams	81	24.6	17.5	0.3	2.2	2.5	3.0	1.0	0.2	2.0	1.1	5.3	12.3	.429	2.0	5.5	.365	5.0	5.6	.880

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	9	35.8	20.2	0.8	5.6	6.3	8.6	1.7	0.7	2.9	2.6	5.7	12.0	.472	2.7	7.3	.364	6.2	6.9	.903
Lou Williams	11	24.7	12.5	0.6	2.1	2.7	1.3	0.6	0.1	1.3	1.5	4.5	10.7	.424	1.1	3.5	.308	2.4	2.6	.897


Season 13
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2021-22	2017-18
Team	Brooklyn Nets, Philadelphia 76ers	Los Angeles Clippers
Honors & Awards	-	Sixth Man of the Year
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	76ers Lost East Conf Semis	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	65	37.2	22.0	0.8	6.8	7.7	10.3	1.3	0.6	4.4	2.4	6.3	15.3	.410	2.3	6.9	.330	7.2	8.2	.877
Lou Williams	79	32.8	22.6	0.5	2.0	2.5	5.3	1.1	0.2	3.0	1.3	7.4	16.9	.435	2.4	6.6	.359	5.5	6.2	.880

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	12	39.9	18.6	0.9	4.8	5.7	8.6	0.8	0.7	4.2	2.4	5.3	13.2	.405	2.3	6.3	.368	5.6	6.3	.893
Lou Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 14
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2022-23	2018-19
Team	Philadelphia 76ers	Los Angeles Clippers
Honors & Awards	-	Sixth Man of the Year
Honors & Awards	Assists Leader	-
Playoffs	76ers Lost East Conf Semis	Clippers Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	58	36.8	21.0	0.7	5.4	6.1	10.7	1.2	0.5	3.4	1.9	6.4	14.5	.441	2.8	7.2	.385	5.4	6.2	.867
Lou Williams	75	26.6	20.0	0.5	2.4	3.0	5.4	0.8	0.1	2.4	1.1	6.5	15.2	.425	1.4	3.9	.361	5.7	6.5	.876

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	11	38.8	20.3	0.5	5.6	6.2	8.3	1.8	0.4	3.2	2.5	6.5	16.6	.393	2.8	7.5	.378	4.4	5.0	.873
Lou Williams	6	29.3	21.7	1.0	1.8	2.8	7.7	0.8	0.2	3.0	2.3	7.5	17.3	.433	1.0	3.0	.333	5.7	6.8	.829


Season 15
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	2023-24	2019-20
Team	Los Angeles Clippers	Los Angeles Clippers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Clippers Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Clippers Lost West Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	72	34.3	16.6	0.5	4.7	5.1	8.5	1.1	0.8	2.6	1.8	4.9	11.4	.428	2.6	6.8	.381	4.2	4.8	.878
Lou Williams	65	28.7	18.2	0.5	2.6	3.1	5.6	0.7	0.2	2.8	1.2	6.0	14.4	.418	1.7	4.8	.352	4.5	5.2	.861

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	6	40.3	21.2	0.5	4.0	4.5	8.0	1.0	1.0	2.3	2.2	6.7	14.8	.449	3.0	7.8	.383	4.8	5.3	.906
Lou Williams	13	26.2	12.8	0.5	2.6	3.2	4.2	0.8	0.2	1.6	1.4	4.8	11.2	.425	0.9	3.9	.235	2.3	2.8	.811


Season 16
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	-	2020-21
Team	-	Los Angeles Clippers, Atlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	-	Hawks Lost East Conf Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Lou Williams	66	21.6	11.3	0.3	1.8	2.1	3.4	0.7	0.1	1.6	0.9	4.0	9.8	.410	1.0	2.6	.399	2.3	2.6	.867

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Lou Williams	18	15.4	7.7	0.1	1.3	1.4	2.2	0.7	0.1	1.2	0.9	2.8	6.1	.455	0.7	1.7	.433	1.4	1.5	.963


Season 17
	James Harden	Lou Williams
Season	-	2021-22
Team	-	Atlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	-	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Lou Williams	56	14.3	6.3	0.3	1.3	1.6	1.9	0.5	0.1	0.8	0.9	2.2	5.7	.391	0.7	1.8	.363	1.2	1.4	.859

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
James Harden	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Lou Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

James Harden vs. Lou Williams Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Lou Williams and James Harden, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Their Careers

Comparison Season by Season

Rookie Season

Season 2

Season 3

Season 4

Season 5

Season 6

Season 7

Season 8

Season 9

Season 10

Season 11

Season 12

Season 13

Season 14

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Season 17