Jermaine O'Neal vs. Dennis Rodman Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Dennis Rodman and Jermaine O'Neal, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season / Stats / Stats Rankings / Games against each other

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

Jermaine O'Neal played 18 years in the NBA, 4 more than Dennis Rodman, who played 14. Jermaine O'Neal had the first of his seasons in 1996-97, while Dennis Rodman had his rookie season in 1986-87. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achievements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers

Player
Total Seasons Playoffs Played NBA Years
Jermaine O'Neal 18 14 1996-97 to 2013-14
Dennis Rodman 14 11 1986-87 to 1999-00

Comparison Season by Season

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Rookie Season

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 1996-971986-87
Team Portland Trail BlazersDetroit Pistons
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st RdPistons Lost East Conf Finals
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Rookie Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 45 10.2 4.1 0.9 1.9 2.8 0.2 0.0 0.6 0.6 1.0 1.5 3.4 .451 0.0 0.0 - 1.0 1.7 .603
difference:+32+4.8+2.4+1.2+0.3+1.5+0.5+0.5-0.6-1.2+1.3+1.7+.094+0.1+.016
Dennis Rodman 77 15.0 6.5 2.1 2.2 4.3 0.7 0.5 0.6 1.2 2.2 2.8 5.1 .545 0.0 0.0 - 1.0 1.6 .587
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 2 2.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 .000 0.0 0.5 .000 0.0 1.0 .000
difference:+13+14.3+6.5+2.1+2.1+4.2+0.2+0.4+0.6-1.1-3.2+2.7+3.9+.541+0.5+1.2+1.1+.563
Dennis Rodman 15 16.3 6.5 2.1 2.6 4.7 0.2 0.4 1.1 1.1 3.2 2.7 4.9 .541 0.0 0.0 - 1.2 2.1 .563

Season 2

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 1997-981987-88
Team Portland Trail BlazersDetroit Pistons
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st RdPistons Lost NBA Finals
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2nd Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 60 13.5 4.5 1.3 2.0 3.4 0.3 0.3 1.0 0.9 1.7 1.9 3.9 .485 0.0 0.0 - 0.8 1.5 .506
difference:+22+12.7+7.1+2.6+2.8+5.3+1.0+0.6+0.5-1.0-1.6+3.0+4.7+.076+0.1+0.2+1.1+2.0+.029
Dennis Rodman 82 26.2 11.6 3.9 4.8 8.7 1.3 0.9 0.5 1.9 3.3 4.9 8.6 .561 0.1 0.2 .294 1.9 3.5 .535
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 1 3.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 3.0 .000 0.0 1.0 .000 0.0 0.0 -
difference:+22+17.6+7.1+1.2+3.7+4.9+0.9+0.6+1.4-1.3-2.8+3.1+2.9+.522+0.9+1.0+2.3
Dennis Rodman 23 20.6 7.1 2.2 3.7 5.9 0.9 0.6 0.6 1.3 3.8 3.1 5.9 .522 0.0 0.1 .000 1.0 2.3 .407

Season 3

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 1998-991988-89
Team Portland Trail BlazersDetroit Pistons
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Defensive First Team
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf FinalsNBA Champion NBA Champion
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3rd Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 36 8.6 2.5 1.2 1.5 2.7 0.4 0.1 0.4 0.4 1.1 1.0 2.3 .434 0.0 0.0 - 0.5 1.0 .514
difference:+46+18.3+6.5+2.8+3.9+6.7+0.8+0.6+0.5-1.1-2.5+2.9+4.2+.161+0.1+0.3+0.7+0.9+.112
Dennis Rodman 82 26.9 9.0 4.0 5.4 9.4 1.2 0.7 0.9 1.5 3.6 3.9 6.5 .595 0.1 0.3 .231 1.2 1.9 .626
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 9 6.0 1.6 0.9 1.0 1.9 0.1 0.0 0.3 0.2 1.2 0.4 1.1 .400 0.0 0.0 - 0.7 1.3 .500
difference:+8+18.1+4.2+2.4+5.7+8.1+0.8+0.4+0.4-1.2-2.2+1.8+3.0+.129+0.2+0.7+0.8+.186
Dennis Rodman 17 24.1 5.8 3.3 6.7 10.0 0.9 0.4 0.7 1.4 3.4 2.2 4.1 .529 0.0 0.2 .000 1.4 2.1 .686

Season 4

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 1999-001989-90
Team Portland Trail BlazersDetroit Pistons
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Defensive First Team
-Achievement Defensive Player of the Year
-Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf FinalsNBA Champion NBA Champion
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4th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 70 12.3 3.9 1.4 1.9 3.3 0.3 0.2 0.8 0.7 1.8 1.5 3.2 .486 0.0 0.0 - 0.8 1.4 .582
difference:+12+16.7+4.9+2.7+3.7+6.4+0.6+0.4+0.1-0.4-1.6+2.0+2.8+.095+0.1+0.9+1.2+.072
Dennis Rodman 82 29.0 8.8 4.1 5.6 9.7 0.9 0.6 0.7 1.1 3.4 3.5 6.0 .581 0.0 0.1 .111 1.7 2.6 .654
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 8 4.9 1.5 0.3 0.6 0.9 0.1 0.0 0.4 0.0 1.1 0.4 1.4 .273 0.0 0.0 - 0.8 1.1 .667
difference:+11+24.6+5.1+2.6+5.0+7.6+0.8+0.5+0.3-1.6-2.2+2.4+3.6+.295+0.1+0.7+.153
Dennis Rodman 19 29.5 6.6 2.9 5.6 8.5 0.9 0.5 0.7 1.6 3.3 2.8 5.0 .568 0.0 0.0 - 0.9 1.8 .514

Season 5

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2000-011990-91
Team Indiana PacersDetroit Pistons
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Defensive First Team
-Achievement Defensive Player of the Year
Playoffs Pacers Lost East Conf 1st RdPistons Lost East Conf Finals
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5th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 81 32.6 12.9 3.1 6.7 9.8 1.2 0.6 2.8 2.0 3.5 5.0 10.7 .465 0.0 0.1 .000 2.9 4.8 .601
difference:+1+0.9+4.7+1.3+1.4+2.7+0.2+0.2+2.1-0.9-0.1+1.6+3.9+.028+0.1+0.3+.200+1.5+2.7+.030
Dennis Rodman 82 33.5 8.2 4.4 8.1 12.5 1.0 0.8 0.7 1.1 3.4 3.4 6.8 .493 0.1 0.4 .200 1.4 2.1 .631
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 4 39.3 9.8 3.0 9.5 12.5 1.8 0.0 2.5 1.8 3.3 4.3 9.8 .436 0.0 0.3 .000 1.3 2.5 .500
difference:+11+6.3+3.5+1.5+2.2+0.7+0.9+0.7+1.8-0.9-0.4+1.6+3.7+.015+0.1+0.3+.222+0.6+0.9+.083
Dennis Rodman 15 33.0 6.3 4.5 7.3 11.8 0.9 0.7 0.7 0.9 3.7 2.7 6.1 .451 0.1 0.6 .222 0.7 1.6 .417

Season 6

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2001-021991-92
Team Indiana PacersDetroit Pistons
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA Third TeamAchievement All-NBA Third Team
-Achievement All-Defensive First Team
Achievement Most Improved Player-
-Achievement Rebounds Leader
Achievement All-Star GameAchievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Pacers Lost East Conf 1st RdPistons Lost East Conf 1st Rd
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6th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 72 37.6 19.0 2.6 7.9 10.5 1.6 0.6 2.3 2.4 3.7 7.5 15.7 .479 0.0 0.2 .071 3.9 5.7 .688
difference:+10+2.7+9.2+3.8+4.4+8.2+0.7+0.2+1.4-0.7-0.7+3.3+8.0+.060+0.4+1.0+.246+2.9+4.0+.088
Dennis Rodman 82 40.3 9.8 6.4 12.3 18.7 2.3 0.8 0.9 1.7 3.0 4.2 7.7 .539 0.4 1.2 .317 1.0 1.7 .600
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 5 38.0 17.2 1.2 6.4 7.6 1.0 0.8 1.6 2.8 4.8 6.8 15.2 .447 0.0 0.2 .000 3.6 4.8 .750
difference:+6.8+10.0+2.0+0.6+2.6+0.8+1.2-1.4-1.4+3.6+9.8+.146+0.2+2.8+3.2+.250
Dennis Rodman 5 31.2 7.2 3.2 7.0 10.2 1.8 0.8 0.4 1.4 3.4 3.2 5.4 .593 0.0 0.4 .000 0.8 1.6 .500

Season 7

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2002-031992-93
Team Indiana PacersDetroit Pistons
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA Third Team-
-Achievement All-Defensive First Team
-Achievement Rebounds Leader
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Pacers Lost East Conf 1st RdDid Not Play
more >>
7th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 77 37.2 20.8 2.6 7.7 10.3 2.0 0.9 2.3 2.3 3.6 7.9 16.4 .484 0.1 0.3 .333 4.8 6.6 .731
difference:+15+1.7+13.3+3.3+4.6+8.0+0.4+0.1+1.6-0.6-0.4+4.9+9.5+.057+0.1+0.9+.128+3.4+4.0+.197
Dennis Rodman 62 38.9 7.5 5.9 12.3 18.3 1.6 0.8 0.7 1.7 3.2 3.0 6.9 .427 0.2 1.2 .205 1.4 2.6 .534
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 6 45.5 22.8 4.0 13.5 17.5 0.7 0.5 3.0 3.0 3.7 7.2 15.3 .467 0.0 0.5 .000 8.5 10.8 .785
Dennis Rodman DNP------ --- ----------

Season 8

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2003-041993-94
Team Indiana PacersSan Antonio Spurs
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA Second Team-
-Achievement All-Defensive Second Team
-Achievement Rebounds Leader
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Pacers Lost East Conf FinalsSpurs Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
8th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 78 35.7 20.1 2.5 7.5 10.0 2.1 0.8 2.6 2.3 3.2 7.8 17.9 .434 0.0 0.2 .111 4.5 5.9 .757
difference:+1+2.1+15.4+3.2+4.1+7.3+0.2+0.1+2.2-0.6-0.3+5.8+14.2+.100+0.1+0.1+.097+3.8+4.6+.237
Dennis Rodman 79 37.8 4.7 5.7 11.6 17.3 2.3 0.7 0.4 1.7 2.9 2.0 3.7 .534 0.1 0.3 .208 0.7 1.3 .520
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 16 37.6 19.2 1.8 7.3 9.1 1.2 0.5 2.3 1.8 3.3 7.2 17.0 .423 0.0 0.3 .000 4.8 6.9 .700
difference:+13+0.4+10.9+6.2+0.7+6.9+0.5+1.5+1.0-0.2-1.4+3.2+9.0+.077+1.4+4.5+4.9+.533
Dennis Rodman 3 38.0 8.3 8.0 8.0 16.0 0.7 2.0 1.3 2.0 4.7 4.0 8.0 .500 0.0 1.7 .000 0.3 2.0 .167

Season 9

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2004-051994-95
Team Indiana PacersSan Antonio Spurs
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Third Team
-Achievement All-Defensive First Team
-Achievement Rebounds Leader
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Pacers Lost East Conf SemisSpurs Lost West Conf Finals
more >>
9th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 44 34.8 24.3 1.9 6.9 8.8 1.9 0.6 2.0 3.0 3.9 8.8 19.4 .452 0.0 0.1 .167 6.7 8.9 .754
difference:+5+2.8+17.2+3.7+4.3+8.0+0.1+1.5-1.0-0.7+6.0+14.5+.119+0.1+5.2+6.6+.078
Dennis Rodman 49 32.0 7.1 5.6 11.2 16.8 2.0 0.6 0.5 2.0 3.2 2.8 4.9 .571 0.0 0.0 - 1.5 2.3 .676
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 13 36.8 16.0 1.6 6.4 8.0 2.2 0.5 2.6 2.8 3.7 5.9 16.2 .365 0.0 0.2 .000 4.2 5.5 .750
difference:+1+4.0+7.1+3.3+3.5+6.8+0.9+0.4+2.6-1.0-0.1+2.2+9.3+.177+0.2+2.8+3.0+.179
Dennis Rodman 14 32.8 8.9 4.9 9.9 14.8 1.3 0.9 0.0 1.8 3.6 3.7 6.9 .542 0.0 0.4 .000 1.4 2.5 .571

Season 10

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2005-061995-96
Team Indiana PacersChicago Bulls
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Defensive First Team
-Achievement Rebounds Leader
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Pacers Lost East Conf 1st RdNBA Champion NBA Champion
more >>
10th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 51 35.3 20.1 2.0 7.3 9.3 2.6 0.5 2.3 3.0 3.5 7.5 15.8 .472 0.1 0.2 .300 5.1 7.2 .709
difference:+13+2.7+14.6+3.6+2.0+5.6+0.1+0.1+1.9-0.8-0.4+5.2+11.0+.008+0.1+0.2+.189+4.2+5.5+.181
Dennis Rodman 64 32.6 5.5 5.6 9.3 14.9 2.5 0.6 0.4 2.2 3.1 2.3 4.8 .480 0.0 0.4 .111 0.9 1.7 .528
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 6 36.0 21.0 1.5 6.0 7.5 1.7 0.5 2.3 4.3 4.7 7.3 14.0 .524 0.0 0.3 .000 6.3 8.8 .717
difference:+12+1.6+13.5+3.9+2.3+6.2+0.4+0.3+1.9-2.0-0.5+4.5+8.3+.039+0.3+4.4+5.5+.124
Dennis Rodman 18 34.4 7.5 5.4 8.3 13.7 2.1 0.8 0.4 2.3 4.2 2.8 5.7 .485 0.0 0.0 - 1.9 3.3 .593

Season 11

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2006-071996-97
Team Indiana PacersChicago Bulls
Honors & Awards -Achievement Rebounds Leader
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Did Not PlayNBA Champion NBA Champion
more >>
11th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 69 35.6 19.4 2.2 7.4 9.6 2.4 0.7 2.6 2.9 3.4 7.2 16.5 .436 0.0 0.1 .000 5.0 6.5 .767
difference:+14+0.2+13.7+3.6+2.8+6.5+0.7+0.1+2.3-0.9-0.3+4.9+11.3+.012+0.1+0.2+.263+4.1+4.9+.199
Dennis Rodman 55 35.4 5.7 5.8 10.2 16.1 3.1 0.6 0.3 2.0 3.1 2.3 5.2 .448 0.1 0.3 .263 0.9 1.6 .568
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal DNP------ --- ----------
Dennis Rodman 19 28.1 4.2 3.1 5.3 8.4 1.4 0.5 0.2 1.5 3.9 1.6 4.3 .370 0.2 0.8 .250 0.8 1.4 .577

Season 12

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2007-081997-98
Team Indiana PacersChicago Bulls
Honors & Awards -Achievement Rebounds Leader
Playoffs Did Not PlayNBA Champion NBA Champion
more >>
12th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 42 28.7 13.6 2.0 4.8 6.7 2.2 0.5 2.1 2.5 3.1 5.4 12.2 .439 0.0 0.1 .000 2.9 3.9 .742
difference:+38+7.0+8.9+3.3+5.0+8.3+0.7+0.1+1.9-0.7-0.1+3.5+7.7+.008+0.1+0.2+.174+2.1+2.5+.192
Dennis Rodman 80 35.7 4.7 5.3 9.8 15.0 2.9 0.6 0.2 1.8 3.0 1.9 4.5 .431 0.1 0.3 .174 0.8 1.4 .550
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal DNP------ --- ----------
Dennis Rodman 21 34.4 4.9 4.7 7.1 11.8 2.0 0.7 0.6 1.7 4.2 1.9 5.0 .371 0.0 0.2 .250 1.1 1.8 .605

Season 13

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2008-091998-99
Team Toronto Raptors, Miami HeatLos Angeles Lakers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Heat Lost East Conf 1st RdDid Not Play
more >>
13th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 68 29.8 13.3 1.9 4.5 6.4 1.8 0.4 2.0 2.1 3.1 5.4 11.3 .474 0.0 0.0 - 2.6 3.3 .788
difference:+45+1.2+11.2+0.8+4.0+4.8+0.5+1.5-0.8+4.7+9.3+.126+0.1+1.9+1.6+.352
Dennis Rodman 23 28.6 2.1 2.7 8.5 11.2 1.3 0.4 0.5 1.3 3.1 0.7 2.0 .348 0.0 0.1 .000 0.7 1.7 .436
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 6 27.0 13.3 1.2 3.3 4.5 1.5 0.5 1.5 1.7 3.0 4.7 8.5 .549 0.0 0.0 - 4.0 5.3 .750
Dennis Rodman DNP------ --- ----------

Season 14

Jermaine O'Neal Dennis Rodman
Season 2009-101999-00
Team Miami HeatDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Heat Lost East Conf 1st RdDid Not Play
more >>
14th Season Stats Comparison
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 70 28.4 13.6 1.8 5.2 6.9 1.3 0.4 1.4 1.8 3.0 5.6 10.6 .529 0.0 0.0 - 2.3 3.2 .720
difference:+58+4.0+10.8+2.2+5.1+7.4+0.1+0.2+1.3-0.2-0.4+4.6+8.0+.142+0.1+1.5+2.0+.006
Dennis Rodman 12 32.4 2.8 4.0 10.3 14.3 1.2 0.2 0.1 1.6 3.4 1.0 2.6 .387 0.0 0.1 .000 0.8 1.2 .714
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TOPF FGM / A% 3PM / A% FTM / A%
Jermaine O'Neal 5 23.4 4.2 2.0 3.6 5.6 1.0 0.8 2.0 1.4 2.6 1.8 8.8 .205 0.0 0.0 - 0.6 1.4 .429
Dennis Rodman DNP------ --- ----------

Additional Years

* Jermaine O'Neal played 4 seasons more than Dennis Rodman in the NBA.

In that period—his seasons 15 to 18, from 2011 to 2014—Jermaine O'Neal played in two Playoffs.