Joe Dumars vs. John Stockton Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of John Stockton and Joe Dumars, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season / Games against each other

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

Joe Dumars played 14 years in the NBA, 5 less than John Stockton, who played 19. Joe Dumars had the first of his seasons in 1985-86, while John Stockton had his rookie season in 1984-85. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achivements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers

Player
Total Seasons Playoffs Played NBA Years
Joe Dumars 14 10 1985-86 to 1998-99
John Stockton 19 19 1984-85 to 2002-03

Comparison Season by Season

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Rookie Season

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1985-861984-85
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Rookie First Team-
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf 1st RdJazz Lost West Conf Semis
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 82 23.9 9.4 0.7 0.7 1.5 4.8 0.8 0.1 1.9 2.4 3.5 7.3 .481 0.1 0.2 .313 2.3 2.9 .798
John Stockton 82 18.2 5.6 0.3 1.0 1.3 5.1 1.3 0.1 1.8 2.5 1.9 4.1 .471 0.0 0.1 .182 1.7 2.4 .736
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 4 36.8 15.0 1.5 1.8 3.3 6.3 1.0 0.0 1.8 4.0 6.3 10.3 .610 0.0 0.0 - 2.5 3.8 .667
John Stockton 10 18.6 6.8 0.7 2.1 2.8 4.3 1.1 0.2 1.6 3.0 2.1 4.5 .467 0.0 0.2 .000 2.6 3.5 .743

Season 2

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1986-871985-86
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf FinalsJazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 79 30.9 11.8 0.6 1.5 2.1 4.5 1.1 0.1 2.2 2.5 4.7 9.5 .493 0.1 0.3 .409 2.3 3.1 .748
John Stockton 82 23.6 7.7 0.4 1.8 2.2 7.4 1.9 0.1 2.0 2.8 2.8 5.7 .489 0.0 0.2 .133 2.1 2.5 .839
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 15 31.5 12.7 0.5 0.7 1.3 4.8 0.8 0.1 1.8 1.7 5.2 9.7 .538 0.1 0.2 .667 2.1 2.7 .780
John Stockton 4 18.3 6.8 0.8 0.8 1.5 3.5 1.3 0.0 1.0 2.5 2.3 4.3 .529 0.3 0.3 1.000 2.0 2.3 .889

Season 3

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1987-881986-87
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Pistons Lost NBA FinalsJazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 82 33.3 14.2 0.8 1.7 2.4 4.7 1.1 0.2 2.1 1.9 5.5 11.7 .472 0.0 0.2 .211 3.1 3.8 .815
John Stockton 82 22.7 7.9 0.4 1.5 1.8 8.2 2.2 0.2 2.0 2.7 2.8 5.6 .499 0.1 0.5 .179 2.2 2.8 .782
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 23 35.0 12.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 4.9 0.6 0.1 1.7 2.2 4.9 10.7 .457 0.1 0.3 .333 2.4 2.7 .889
John Stockton 5 31.4 10.0 0.4 1.8 2.2 8.0 3.0 0.2 2.2 3.6 3.6 5.8 .621 0.8 1.0 .800 2.0 2.6 .769

Season 4

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1988-891987-88
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards Achievement Finals MVP-
-Achievement All-NBA Second Team
Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
-Achievement Assists Leader
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA ChampionJazz Lost West Conf Semis
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 69 34.9 17.2 0.8 1.7 2.5 5.7 0.9 0.1 2.6 1.5 6.6 13.1 .505 0.2 0.4 .483 3.8 4.4 .850
John Stockton 82 34.7 14.7 0.7 2.2 2.9 13.8 3.0 0.2 3.2 3.0 5.5 9.6 .574 0.3 0.8 .358 3.3 4.0 .840
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 17 36.5 17.6 0.6 1.9 2.6 5.6 0.7 0.1 1.8 1.8 6.2 13.7 .455 0.1 0.7 .083 5.1 5.9 .861
John Stockton 11 43.5 19.5 1.3 2.8 4.1 14.8 3.4 0.3 4.4 3.3 6.2 12.2 .507 0.4 1.3 .286 6.8 8.3 .824

Season 5

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1989-901988-89
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Second Team
Achievement All-NBA Third Team-
Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
-Achievement All-Defensive Second Team
-Achievement Assists Leader
-Achievement Steals Leader
Achievement All-Star GameAchievement All-Star Game
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA ChampionJazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 75 34.4 17.8 0.8 2.0 2.8 4.9 0.8 0.0 1.9 1.7 6.8 14.1 .480 0.3 0.7 .400 4.0 4.4 .900
John Stockton 82 38.7 17.1 1.0 2.0 3.0 13.6 3.2 0.2 3.8 2.9 6.1 11.3 .538 0.2 0.8 .242 4.8 5.5 .863
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 20 37.7 18.2 0.9 1.3 2.2 4.8 1.1 0.0 2.7 1.9 6.5 14.2 .458 0.3 1.0 .263 5.0 5.7 .876
John Stockton 3 46.3 27.3 0.7 2.7 3.3 13.7 3.7 1.7 3.7 5.0 10.0 19.7 .508 1.0 1.3 .750 6.3 7.0 .905

Season 6

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1990-911989-90
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Second Team
Achievement All-NBA Third Team-
Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
-Achievement Assists Leader
Achievement All-Star GameAchievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf FinalsJazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 80 38.1 20.4 0.8 1.6 2.3 5.5 1.1 0.1 2.4 1.7 7.8 16.2 .481 0.2 0.6 .311 4.6 5.2 .890
John Stockton 78 37.4 17.2 0.7 1.9 2.6 14.5 2.7 0.2 3.5 3.0 6.1 11.8 .514 0.6 1.4 .416 4.5 5.5 .819
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 15 39.2 20.6 1.4 1.9 3.3 4.1 1.1 0.1 1.1 2.2 7.0 16.3 .429 1.1 2.8 .405 5.5 6.5 .845
John Stockton 5 38.8 15.0 0.8 2.4 3.2 15.0 1.2 0.0 2.8 4.0 5.8 13.8 .420 0.2 2.6 .077 3.2 4.0 .800

Season 7

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1991-921990-91
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Third Team
Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
-Achievement All-Defensive Second Team
-Achievement Assists Leader
Achievement All-Star GameAchievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf 1st RdJazz Lost West Conf Semis
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 82 38.9 19.9 1.0 1.3 2.3 4.6 0.9 0.1 2.4 1.8 7.2 16.0 .448 0.6 1.5 .408 5.0 5.8 .867
John Stockton 82 37.8 17.2 0.6 2.3 2.9 14.2 2.9 0.2 3.6 2.8 6.0 11.9 .507 0.7 2.0 .345 4.4 5.3 .836
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 5 44.2 16.8 1.0 0.6 1.6 3.2 1.0 0.2 1.4 2.2 6.4 13.6 .471 1.0 2.0 .500 3.0 3.8 .789
John Stockton 9 41.4 18.2 1.1 3.6 4.7 13.8 2.2 0.2 3.6 3.7 6.4 12.0 .537 1.2 3.0 .407 4.1 4.9 .841

Season 8

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1992-931991-92
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA Second TeamAchievement All-NBA Second Team
Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
-Achievement All-Defensive Second Team
-Achievement Assists Leader
-Achievement Steals Leader
Achievement All-Star GameAchievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Did Not PlayJazz Lost West Conf Finals
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 77 40.2 23.5 0.8 1.1 1.9 4.0 1.0 0.1 1.8 1.8 8.8 18.9 .466 1.5 3.9 .375 4.5 5.2 .864
John Stockton 82 36.6 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 13.7 3.0 0.3 3.5 2.9 5.5 11.5 .482 1.0 2.5 .407 3.8 4.5 .842
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 16 38.9 14.8 0.6 2.3 2.9 13.6 2.1 0.3 3.6 2.4 4.8 11.4 .423 1.1 3.6 .310 4.1 4.9 .833

Season 9

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1993-941992-93
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Second Team
-Achievement Assists Leader
-Achievement All-Star Game
-Achievement All-Star Game NVP
Playoffs Did Not PlayJazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 69 37.6 20.4 0.5 1.7 2.2 3.8 0.9 0.1 2.3 1.7 7.3 16.2 .452 1.8 4.6 .388 4.0 4.8 .836
John Stockton 82 34.9 15.1 0.8 2.1 2.9 12.0 2.4 0.3 3.2 2.7 5.3 11.0 .486 0.9 2.3 .385 3.6 4.5 .798
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 5 38.6 13.2 1.0 1.4 2.4 11.0 2.4 0.0 3.0 3.2 4.6 10.2 .451 1.0 2.6 .385 3.0 3.6 .833

Season 10

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1994-951993-94
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA First Team
-Achievement Assists Leader
Achievement All-Star GameAchievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Did Not PlayJazz Lost West Conf Finals
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 67 38.0 18.1 0.7 1.7 2.4 5.5 1.1 0.1 3.3 2.3 6.2 14.5 .430 1.5 5.0 .305 4.1 5.1 .805
John Stockton 82 36.2 15.1 0.9 2.3 3.1 12.6 2.4 0.3 3.2 2.9 5.6 10.6 .528 0.6 1.8 .322 3.3 4.1 .805
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 16 37.3 14.4 0.9 2.4 3.3 9.8 1.7 0.5 2.5 2.8 5.5 12.1 .456 0.3 1.5 .167 3.2 3.9 .810

Season 11

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1995-961994-95
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA First Team
-Achievement All-Defensive Second Team
-Achievement Assists Leader
-Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf 1st RdJazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 67 32.7 11.8 0.4 1.6 2.1 4.0 0.6 0.0 1.4 1.6 3.8 8.9 .426 1.8 4.4 .406 2.4 2.9 .822
John Stockton 82 35.0 14.7 0.7 2.4 3.1 12.3 2.4 0.3 3.3 2.6 5.2 9.6 .542 1.2 2.8 .449 3.0 3.7 .804
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 3 41.0 13.7 1.7 2.7 4.3 3.7 0.0 0.0 2.3 1.7 5.3 11.7 .457 1.7 4.7 .357 1.3 1.3 1.000
John Stockton 5 38.6 17.8 1.2 2.2 3.4 10.2 1.4 0.2 2.8 2.6 6.8 14.8 .459 1.6 4.0 .400 2.6 3.4 .765

Season 12

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1996-971995-96
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Second Team
-Achievement Assists Leader
Achievement All-Star GameAchievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf 1st RdJazz Lost West Conf Finals
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 79 37.0 14.7 0.5 1.9 2.4 4.0 0.7 0.0 1.6 1.2 4.9 11.1 .440 2.1 4.9 .432 2.8 3.2 .867
John Stockton 82 35.5 14.7 0.7 2.1 2.8 11.2 1.7 0.2 3.0 2.5 5.4 10.0 .538 1.2 2.7 .422 2.9 3.4 .830
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 5 42.6 13.8 0.4 1.4 1.8 2.0 1.0 0.0 1.2 1.8 4.4 12.2 .361 1.2 4.6 .261 3.8 4.0 .950
John Stockton 18 37.7 11.1 0.8 2.4 3.2 10.8 1.6 0.4 3.2 2.8 3.9 8.7 .446 0.6 2.1 .289 2.7 3.3 .814

Season 13

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1997-981996-97
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Third Team
-Achievement All-Defensive Second Team
-Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Did Not PlayJazz Lost NBA Finals
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 72 32.3 13.1 0.2 1.3 1.4 3.5 0.6 0.0 1.2 1.4 4.6 11.0 .416 2.2 5.9 .371 1.8 2.1 .825
John Stockton 82 35.3 14.4 0.5 2.2 2.8 10.5 2.0 0.2 3.0 2.4 5.1 9.3 .548 0.9 2.2 .422 3.4 4.0 .846
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 20 36.9 16.1 0.9 3.0 3.9 9.6 1.7 0.3 3.1 2.6 5.7 10.9 .521 1.0 2.5 .380 3.9 4.5 .856

Season 14

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season 1998-991997-98
Team Detroit PistonsUtah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf 1st RdJazz Lost NBA Finals
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 38 29.4 11.3 0.3 1.5 1.8 3.5 0.6 0.1 1.4 1.3 3.8 9.2 .411 2.3 5.8 .403 1.3 1.6 .836
John Stockton 64 29.0 12.0 0.5 2.0 2.6 8.5 1.4 0.2 2.5 2.2 4.2 8.0 .528 0.6 1.4 .429 3.0 3.6 .827
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars 5 30.6 10.2 0.2 1.2 1.4 2.6 0.4 0.0 1.8 1.8 3.8 7.8 .487 2.0 3.8 .526 0.6 0.6 1.000
John Stockton 20 29.7 11.1 0.8 2.2 3.0 7.8 1.6 0.2 2.4 2.7 4.1 8.2 .494 0.5 1.3 .346 2.6 3.6 .718

Season 15

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season -1998-99
Team -Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Third Team
Playoffs -Jazz Lost West Conf Semis
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 50 28.2 11.1 0.6 2.3 2.9 7.5 1.6 0.3 2.2 2.1 4.0 8.2 .488 0.3 1.0 .320 2.7 3.4 .811
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 11 32.0 11.1 1.0 2.3 3.3 8.4 1.6 0.1 2.8 2.9 3.8 9.5 .400 0.4 1.1 .333 3.1 4.2 .739

Season 16

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season -1999-00
Team -Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs -Jazz Lost West Conf Semis
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 82 29.7 12.1 0.5 2.1 2.6 8.6 1.7 0.2 2.2 2.3 4.4 8.8 .501 0.5 1.5 .355 2.7 3.1 .860
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 10 34.9 11.2 0.7 2.3 3.0 10.3 1.3 0.2 2.6 3.0 4.1 8.9 .461 0.7 1.8 .389 2.3 3.0 .767

Season 17

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season -2000-01
Team -Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Jazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 82 29.2 11.5 0.7 2.1 2.8 8.7 1.6 0.3 2.5 2.4 4.0 7.9 .504 0.7 1.6 .462 2.8 3.4 .817
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 5 37.4 9.8 2.2 3.4 5.6 11.4 2.0 0.6 1.4 3.8 3.4 7.4 .459 0.0 1.6 .000 3.0 4.2 .714

Season 18

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season -2001-02
Team -Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Jazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 82 31.3 13.4 0.7 2.5 3.2 8.2 1.9 0.3 2.5 2.5 4.9 9.5 .517 0.3 1.0 .321 3.4 3.9 .857
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 4 35.5 12.5 0.8 3.3 4.0 10.0 2.8 0.3 2.0 4.0 4.5 10.0 .450 0.5 1.8 .286 3.0 3.3 .923

Season 19

Joe Dumars John Stockton
Season -2002-03
Team -Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Jazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 82 27.7 10.8 0.6 1.8 2.5 7.7 1.7 0.2 2.2 2.2 3.8 7.8 .483 0.4 1.0 .363 2.9 3.5 .826
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Joe Dumars ------- --- ----------
John Stockton 5 29.6 11.2 1.0 2.2 3.2 5.2 1.6 0.2 2.8 2.6 3.6 7.8 .462 0.0 0.2 .000 4.0 4.0 1.000