Clifford Robinson vs. Jason Terry Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Jason Terry and Clifford Robinson, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season / Games against each other

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

Clifford Robinson played 18 years in the NBA, 1 less than Jason Terry, who played 19. Clifford Robinson had the first of his seasons in 1989-90, while Jason Terry had his rookie season in 1999-00. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achivements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers

Player
Total Seasons Playoffs Played NBA Years
Clifford Robinson 18 17 1989-90 to 2006-07
Jason Terry 19 13 1999-00 to 2017-18

Comparison Season by Season

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Rookie Season

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1989-901999-00
Team Portland Trail BlazersAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Rookie Second Team
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost NBA FinalsDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 82 19.1 9.1 1.3 2.4 3.8 0.9 0.6 0.6 1.6 2.8 3.6 9.2 .397 0.1 0.5 .273 1.7 3.1 .550
Jason Terry 81 23.3 8.1 0.3 1.8 2.0 4.3 1.1 0.1 1.9 1.6 3.1 7.4 .415 0.6 1.9 .293 1.4 1.7 .807
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 21 18.6 6.5 1.5 2.6 4.1 1.1 0.9 1.1 1.2 3.4 2.6 7.2 .358 0.0 0.2 .000 1.4 2.5 .558
Jason Terry ------- --- ----------

Season 2

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1990-912000-01
Team Portland Trail BlazersAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf FinalsDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 82 23.7 11.7 1.5 2.8 4.3 1.8 1.0 0.9 1.6 3.2 4.5 9.8 .463 0.1 0.2 .316 2.5 3.8 .653
Jason Terry 82 37.7 19.7 0.5 2.8 3.3 4.9 1.3 0.1 2.9 2.5 7.3 16.7 .436 1.5 3.8 .395 3.7 4.4 .846
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 16 22.1 10.3 1.5 2.4 3.9 1.1 0.4 1.0 1.6 2.9 3.9 7.3 .538 0.1 0.2 .333 2.4 4.3 .551
Jason Terry ------- --- ----------

Season 3

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1991-922001-02
Team Portland Trail BlazersAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost NBA FinalsDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 82 25.9 12.4 1.7 3.4 5.1 1.7 1.0 1.3 1.9 3.3 4.9 10.4 .466 0.0 0.1 .091 2.7 4.0 .664
Jason Terry 78 38.0 19.3 0.5 2.9 3.5 5.7 1.8 0.2 2.3 2.0 6.7 15.6 .430 2.2 5.7 .387 3.6 4.4 .835
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 21 24.9 10.8 1.2 3.0 4.2 2.0 1.0 1.0 1.3 4.0 4.3 9.4 .462 0.0 0.3 .167 2.1 3.7 .571
Jason Terry ------- --- ----------

Season 4

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1992-932002-03
Team Portland Trail BlazersAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards Achievement Sixth Man of the Year-
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st RdDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 82 31.4 19.1 2.0 4.6 6.6 2.2 1.2 2.0 2.1 3.5 7.7 16.3 .473 0.2 0.9 .247 3.5 5.1 .690
Jason Terry 81 38.0 17.2 0.5 3.0 3.4 7.4 1.6 0.2 3.1 2.2 6.0 14.1 .428 2.0 5.3 .371 3.2 3.6 .887
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 4 32.8 10.3 2.5 1.8 4.3 1.5 1.5 1.8 2.0 4.3 4.0 15.3 .262 0.0 0.3 .000 2.3 5.5 .409
Jason Terry ------- --- ----------

Season 5

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1993-942003-04
Team Portland Trail BlazersAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st RdDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 82 34.8 20.1 2.0 4.7 6.7 1.9 1.4 1.4 2.1 3.2 7.8 17.1 .457 0.2 0.6 .245 4.3 5.6 .765
Jason Terry 81 37.3 16.8 0.6 3.5 4.1 5.4 1.5 0.2 2.8 2.4 6.2 14.8 .417 1.8 5.2 .347 2.7 3.2 .827
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 4 37.3 16.3 2.8 3.5 6.3 2.5 0.8 1.5 2.8 3.3 7.0 17.0 .412 0.5 2.3 .222 1.8 2.0 .875
Jason Terry ------- --- ----------

Season 6

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1994-952004-05
Team Portland Trail BlazersDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st RdMavericks Lost West Conf Semis
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 75 36.3 21.3 2.0 3.6 5.6 2.6 1.1 1.1 2.1 3.2 8.0 17.6 .452 1.9 5.1 .371 3.5 5.1 .694
Jason Terry 80 30.0 12.4 0.5 1.9 2.4 5.4 1.4 0.2 1.8 2.2 4.7 9.3 .501 1.3 3.1 .420 1.8 2.2 .844
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 3 39.7 15.7 2.3 4.0 6.3 2.7 0.7 0.3 2.7 4.3 5.7 15.7 .362 1.3 5.7 .235 3.0 5.3 .563
Jason Terry 13 38.5 17.5 0.7 3.5 4.2 4.6 1.3 0.5 2.3 2.2 6.2 12.3 .506 2.1 4.2 .491 2.9 3.3 .884

Season 7

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1995-962005-06
Team Portland Trail BlazersDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st RdMavericks Lost NBA Finals
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 78 38.2 21.1 1.6 4.1 5.7 2.4 1.1 0.9 2.5 3.2 7.1 16.7 .423 2.3 6.0 .378 4.6 6.9 .664
Jason Terry 80 35.0 17.1 0.4 1.6 2.0 3.8 1.3 0.3 1.7 2.5 6.5 13.7 .470 2.1 5.2 .411 2.1 2.6 .800
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 5 36.2 15.2 0.8 2.8 3.6 1.6 1.4 1.0 3.2 3.8 4.2 12.2 .344 1.2 4.6 .261 5.6 7.4 .757
Jason Terry 22 38.4 18.9 0.5 2.4 2.9 3.8 1.2 0.0 2.0 2.5 7.4 16.8 .442 1.4 4.6 .307 2.7 3.2 .831

Season 8

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1996-972006-07
Team Portland Trail BlazersDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st RdMavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 81 38.0 15.1 1.1 2.9 4.0 3.2 1.2 0.8 2.1 3.1 5.5 12.9 .426 1.5 4.3 .346 2.7 3.8 .696
Jason Terry 81 35.1 16.7 0.5 2.3 2.9 5.2 1.0 0.2 1.9 2.1 6.3 13.1 .484 2.0 4.6 .438 2.0 2.5 .804
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 4 40.3 12.0 3.0 3.8 6.8 3.0 0.5 1.0 2.5 3.3 4.3 11.8 .362 0.8 4.0 .188 2.8 4.0 .688
Jason Terry 6 38.2 17.0 0.5 1.8 2.3 3.7 0.8 0.3 2.8 2.0 6.5 15.3 .424 1.5 5.3 .281 2.5 3.0 .833

Season 9

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1997-982007-08
Team Phoenix SunsDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Suns Lost West Conf 1st RdMavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 80 29.5 14.2 1.9 3.2 5.1 2.1 1.2 1.1 1.8 3.1 5.4 11.2 .479 0.3 1.1 .321 3.1 4.5 .689
Jason Terry 82 31.5 15.5 0.4 2.2 2.5 3.2 1.1 0.2 1.1 2.1 5.7 12.3 .467 1.7 4.4 .375 2.3 2.7 .857
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 4 23.0 6.3 1.5 1.5 3.0 0.8 0.8 0.5 1.3 4.8 2.3 8.3 .273 0.0 0.3 .000 1.8 2.3 .778
Jason Terry 5 36.0 15.8 0.2 1.4 1.6 4.8 0.4 0.2 1.0 3.0 5.2 12.0 .433 2.8 6.4 .438 2.6 3.0 .867

Season 10

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1998-992008-09
Team Phoenix SunsDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards -Achievement Sixth Man of the Year
Playoffs Suns Lost West Conf 1st RdMavericks Lost West Conf Semis
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 50 34.8 16.4 1.4 3.2 4.5 2.6 1.5 1.2 1.8 3.1 6.0 12.6 .475 1.2 2.8 .417 3.3 4.7 .697
Jason Terry 74 33.7 19.6 0.5 1.9 2.4 3.4 1.3 0.3 1.6 1.9 7.3 15.8 .463 2.3 6.2 .366 2.7 3.0 .880
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 3 39.0 15.7 2.3 3.0 5.3 2.7 2.0 0.3 2.3 4.0 6.3 13.3 .475 0.7 3.0 .222 2.3 3.7 .636
Jason Terry 10 32.5 14.3 0.6 2.2 2.8 1.9 0.6 0.3 1.6 1.8 4.9 12.6 .389 2.2 5.9 .373 2.3 3.0 .767

Season 11

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 1999-002009-10
Team Phoenix SunsDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
Playoffs Suns Lost West Conf SemisMavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 80 35.5 18.5 1.3 3.2 4.5 2.8 1.1 0.8 2.1 3.0 6.6 14.3 .464 1.5 4.1 .370 3.7 4.8 .782
Jason Terry 77 33.0 16.6 0.2 1.6 1.8 3.8 1.2 0.2 1.4 1.8 5.9 13.5 .438 1.8 4.8 .365 3.0 3.5 .866
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 9 37.0 17.6 2.0 4.0 6.0 2.1 1.2 0.8 2.0 3.9 6.2 16.1 .386 1.4 4.4 .325 3.7 5.0 .733
Jason Terry 6 29.0 12.7 0.3 2.2 2.5 2.0 0.7 0.2 1.0 2.7 4.3 11.5 .377 2.0 5.0 .400 2.0 2.7 .750

Season 12

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 2000-012010-11
Team Phoenix SunsDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Suns Lost West Conf 1st RdNBA Champion NBA Champion
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 82 33.5 16.4 1.3 2.8 4.1 2.9 1.1 1.0 2.3 3.1 6.1 14.5 .422 1.1 3.0 .361 3.1 4.4 .709
Jason Terry 82 31.3 15.8 0.3 1.6 1.9 4.1 1.1 0.2 2.0 1.7 6.0 13.3 .451 1.5 4.3 .362 2.2 2.6 .850
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 4 28.3 15.0 1.5 2.5 4.0 1.0 1.5 0.5 2.3 3.5 5.3 12.5 .420 1.0 4.0 .250 3.5 5.5 .636
Jason Terry 21 32.6 17.5 0.3 1.6 1.9 3.2 1.2 0.1 1.5 2.1 6.1 12.8 .478 2.0 4.5 .442 3.3 4.0 .843

Season 13

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 2001-022011-12
Team Detroit PistonsDallas Mavericks
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf SemisMavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 80 35.7 14.6 1.0 3.8 4.8 2.5 1.1 1.2 1.9 3.0 5.7 13.4 .425 1.4 3.8 .378 1.8 2.6 .694
Jason Terry 63 31.7 15.1 0.3 2.1 2.4 3.6 1.2 0.2 2.0 1.1 5.7 13.2 .430 2.2 5.8 .378 1.6 1.8 .883
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 10 40.8 13.2 0.5 2.5 3.0 2.9 1.8 1.9 2.1 2.8 4.5 12.4 .363 1.8 5.3 .340 2.4 3.0 .800
Jason Terry 4 34.8 13.8 0.3 2.0 2.3 3.8 0.3 0.0 2.0 2.8 5.0 11.0 .455 2.5 5.0 .500 1.3 2.0 .625

Season 14

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 2002-032012-13
Team Detroit PistonsBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Pistons Lost East Conf FinalsCeltics Lost East Conf 1st Rd
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 81 34.9 12.2 1.0 2.9 3.9 3.3 1.1 1.1 2.0 3.2 4.6 11.5 .398 1.1 3.2 .336 2.0 2.9 .676
Jason Terry 79 26.9 10.1 0.2 1.8 2.0 2.5 0.8 0.1 1.3 1.4 3.6 8.2 .434 1.6 4.2 .372 1.4 1.7 .870
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 17 30.8 9.3 0.8 1.9 2.7 2.9 0.9 0.8 1.6 3.6 3.4 9.4 .358 1.3 3.5 .373 1.3 2.2 .595
Jason Terry 6 31.5 12.0 0.0 2.2 2.2 2.0 0.7 0.3 0.8 1.5 4.0 9.0 .444 2.5 5.7 .441 1.5 1.8 .818

Season 15

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 2003-042013-14
Team Golden State WarriorsBrooklyn Nets
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Did Not PlayDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 82 34.7 11.8 0.7 3.3 3.9 3.3 0.8 0.9 2.1 2.9 4.5 11.5 .387 1.4 3.8 .357 1.5 2.1 .711
Jason Terry 35 16.3 4.5 0.1 0.9 1.1 1.6 0.4 0.0 0.8 1.4 1.6 4.3 .362 1.1 2.9 .379 0.3 0.4 .667
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson ------- --- ----------
Jason Terry ------- --- ----------

Season 16

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 2004-052014-15
Team Golden State Warriors, New Jersey NetsHouston Rockets
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Nets Lost East Conf 1st RdRockets Lost West Conf Finals
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 71 23.8 7.5 0.8 2.2 2.9 1.5 0.9 0.7 0.9 2.5 2.8 7.4 .386 0.9 2.7 .347 0.9 1.4 .639
Jason Terry 77 21.3 7.0 0.2 1.4 1.6 1.9 0.9 0.2 1.0 1.5 2.4 5.8 .422 1.6 4.2 .390 0.5 0.6 .813
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 4 17.8 7.0 0.5 2.0 2.5 1.3 0.8 0.3 0.0 5.0 2.8 6.8 .407 1.0 3.5 .286 0.5 0.5 1.000
Jason Terry 17 28.6 9.2 0.4 1.9 2.2 2.8 0.9 0.1 1.2 2.7 3.4 7.9 .425 1.7 4.8 .354 0.8 0.9 .813

Season 17

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 2005-062015-16
Team New Jersey NetsHouston Rockets
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Nets Lost East Conf SemisRockets Lost West Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 80 23.3 6.9 0.7 2.7 3.3 1.1 0.6 0.5 0.8 2.6 2.7 6.4 .427 0.8 2.2 .343 0.7 1.0 .658
Jason Terry 72 17.5 5.9 0.2 0.9 1.1 1.4 0.7 0.1 0.7 1.3 2.1 5.2 .402 1.3 3.6 .356 0.4 0.5 .818
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 8 24.8 4.5 0.3 3.0 3.3 0.6 1.1 0.4 1.3 3.5 1.6 4.9 .333 0.8 2.4 .316 0.5 0.6 .800
Jason Terry 5 24.8 7.0 0.2 2.0 2.2 1.2 0.4 0.2 0.6 2.6 2.6 7.6 .342 1.2 3.8 .316 0.6 0.6 1.000

Season 18

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season 2006-072016-17
Team New Jersey NetsMilwaukee Bucks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Nets Lost East Conf SemisBucks Lost East Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 50 19.1 4.1 0.6 1.8 2.4 1.0 0.2 0.5 0.6 2.0 1.6 4.4 .372 0.5 1.3 .379 0.3 0.7 .444
Jason Terry 74 18.4 4.1 0.2 1.2 1.4 1.3 0.6 0.3 0.5 1.3 1.4 3.3 .432 1.0 2.3 .427 0.3 0.4 .828
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson 4 5.0 0.8 0.0 0.0 0 0.0 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.3 0.3 1.5 .167 0.3 0.5 .500 0.0 0.0 -
Jason Terry 6 11.3 2.5 0.3 1.0 1.3 0.8 0.5 0.2 0.3 1.2 1.0 3.0 .333 0.3 1.7 .200 0.2 0.2 1.000

Season 19

Clifford Robinson Jason Terry
Season -2017-18
Team -Milwaukee Bucks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Bucks Lost East Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson ------- --- ----------
Jason Terry 51 16.0 3.3 0.1 0.8 0.9 1.2 0.8 0.3 0.5 1.0 1.2 3.0 .383 0.8 2.3 .348 0.2 0.2 .889
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Clifford Robinson ------- --- ----------
Jason Terry 3 14.7 2.0 0.3 0.3 0.7 0.7 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.7 0.7 1.7 .400 0.7 1.7 .400 0.0 0.0 -