Dale Ellis vs. Kyle Korver Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Kyle Korver and Dale Ellis, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

Dale Ellis and Kyle Korver both played 17 years in the NBA. Dale Ellis had the first of his seasons in 1983-84, while Kyle Korver had his rookie season in 2003-04. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achivements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers
Player	Total Seasons	Playoffs Played	NBA Years
Dale Ellis	17	10	1983-84 to 1999-00
Kyle Korver	17	14	2003-04 to 2019-20

Comparison Season by Season
Jump to season: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17


Rookie Season
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1983-84	2003-04
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf Semis	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	67	15.8	8.2	1.6	2.1	3.7	0.8	0.6	0.1	1.2	1.8	3.4	7.4	.456	0.2	0.4	.414	1.3	1.8	.719
Kyle Korver	74	11.9	4.5	0.4	1.1	1.5	0.5	0.3	0.1	0.6	1.4	1.6	4.4	.352	1.1	2.8	.391	0.3	0.3	.792

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	8	22.3	7.4	2.4	2.9	5.3	0.5	1.3	0.3	0.6	2.1	3.3	10.0	.325	0.1	1.5	.083	0.8	1.0	.750
Kyle Korver	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 2
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1984-85	2004-05
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd	76ers Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	72	18.3	9.3	1.4	1.9	3.3	0.8	0.6	0.1	0.8	1.8	3.8	8.4	.454	0.6	1.5	.385	1.1	1.4	.740
Kyle Korver	82	32.5	11.5	0.5	4.1	4.6	2.2	1.3	0.4	1.3	3.2	3.9	9.3	.418	2.8	6.8	.405	1.0	1.2	.854

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	4	17.0	5.8	1.0	0.8	1.8	0.8	1.0	0.0	1.0	0.8	2.5	5.8	.435	0.5	1.3	.400	0.3	0.5	.500
Kyle Korver	5	28.8	5.0	0.6	2.0	2.6	1.6	0.8	0.2	1.6	3.6	1.6	5.6	.286	1.4	4.8	.292	0.4	0.4	1.000


Season 3
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1985-86	2005-06
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf Semis	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	72	15.1	7.1	1.2	1.1	2.3	0.5	0.6	0.1	0.5	1.1	2.7	6.5	.411	0.9	2.4	.364	0.8	1.1	.720
Kyle Korver	82	31.3	11.5	0.3	3.0	3.3	2.0	0.8	0.3	1.2	2.7	4.0	9.3	.430	2.2	5.3	.420	1.2	1.5	.849

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	7	9.6	4.3	0.4	0.6	1.0	0.3	0.3	0.3	0.6	0.9	1.3	3.1	.409	1.0	1.7	.583	0.7	0.7	1.000
Kyle Korver	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 4
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1986-87	2006-07
Team	Seattle Supersonics	Philadelphia 76ers
Honors & Awards	Most Improved Player	-
Playoffs	Supersonics Lost West Conf Finals	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	82	37.5	24.9	2.3	3.2	5.5	2.9	1.3	0.4	2.9	3.3	9.6	18.5	.516	1.0	2.9	.358	4.7	6.0	.787
Kyle Korver	74	30.9	14.4	0.4	3.1	3.5	1.4	0.8	0.3	1.6	2.5	5.0	11.4	.440	1.8	4.1	.430	2.6	2.8	.914

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	14	37.9	25.2	2.6	3.8	6.4	2.6	0.7	0.4	2.4	3.9	10.6	21.7	.487	0.9	2.6	.361	3.1	3.9	.815
Kyle Korver	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 5
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1987-88	2007-08
Team	Seattle Supersonics	Philadelphia 76ers, Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Supersonics Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Jazz Lost West Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	75	37.2	25.8	2.2	2.3	4.5	2.6	1.0	0.1	2.3	2.9	10.2	20.3	.503	1.4	3.5	.413	4.0	5.3	.767
Kyle Korver	75	23.1	9.9	0.3	2.0	2.3	1.3	0.6	0.4	1.0	2.6	3.4	7.7	.443	1.5	3.9	.375	1.6	1.7	.915

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	5	34.4	20.8	2.2	2.4	4.6	3.0	0.6	0.4	2.4	3.4	8.0	16.6	.482	0.6	2.4	.250	4.2	5.8	.724
Kyle Korver	12	21.6	7.8	0.4	1.8	2.2	0.6	0.3	0.7	0.7	2.3	2.5	6.1	.411	0.9	3.2	.289	1.9	2.1	.920


Season 6
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1988-89	2008-09
Team	Seattle Supersonics	Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards	All-NBA Third Team	-
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Supersonics Lost West Conf Semis	Jazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	82	38.9	27.5	1.9	2.3	4.2	2.0	1.3	0.3	2.7	2.4	10.5	20.9	.501	2.0	4.1	.478	4.6	5.6	.816
Kyle Korver	78	24.0	9.0	0.4	2.9	3.3	1.8	0.6	0.4	1.2	2.2	3.1	7.2	.438	1.3	3.4	.386	1.4	1.6	.882

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	8	38.0	22.9	1.8	2.3	4.0	1.3	1.4	0.1	2.6	2.4	9.0	20.0	.450	1.9	4.6	.405	3.0	4.1	.727
Kyle Korver	5	27.2	10.6	0.4	1.8	2.2	2.6	0.6	0.2	0.4	1.8	3.6	9.2	.391	2.4	5.2	.462	1.0	1.4	.714


Season 7
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1989-90	2009-10
Team	Seattle Supersonics	Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Jazz Lost West Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	55	37.0	23.5	1.6	2.7	4.3	2.0	1.1	0.1	2.2	2.3	9.1	18.4	.497	1.7	4.7	.375	3.5	4.3	.818
Kyle Korver	52	18.3	7.2	0.2	1.9	2.1	1.7	0.5	0.2	0.8	1.5	2.7	5.4	.493	1.1	2.1	.536	0.8	0.9	.796

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Kyle Korver	10	21.0	8.3	0.0	1.1	1.1	1.3	0.5	0.0	0.7	2.2	3.2	6.1	.525	1.1	2.3	.478	0.8	0.9	.889


Season 8
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1990-91	2010-11
Team	Seattle Supersonics, Milwaukee Bucks	Chicago Bulls
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Bulls Lost East Conf Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	51	27.9	16.8	1.3	2.1	3.4	1.9	1.0	0.2	1.6	2.2	6.7	14.1	.474	1.1	3.1	.363	2.4	3.3	.723
Kyle Korver	82	20.1	8.3	0.1	1.7	1.8	1.5	0.4	0.2	0.7	1.9	3.0	6.8	.434	1.5	3.5	.415	0.9	1.1	.885

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Kyle Korver	16	17.3	6.6	0.1	1.1	1.2	1.1	0.5	0.2	1.0	2.2	2.4	6.1	.388	1.4	3.3	.423	0.4	0.4	1.000


Season 9
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1991-92	2011-12
Team	Milwaukee Bucks	Chicago Bulls
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Bulls Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	81	27.0	15.7	1.1	2.0	3.1	1.3	0.7	0.2	1.5	1.9	6.0	12.8	.469	1.7	4.1	.419	2.0	2.6	.774
Kyle Korver	65	22.6	8.1	0.4	2.0	2.4	1.7	0.6	0.2	0.8	1.7	2.7	6.3	.432	1.8	4.2	.435	0.8	1.0	.833

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Kyle Korver	6	15.7	3.8	0.2	1.5	1.7	1.5	0.5	0.5	0.8	1.7	1.5	3.7	.409	0.7	2.2	.308	0.2	0.3	.500


Season 10
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1992-93	2012-13
Team	San Antonio Spurs	Atlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Spurs Lost West Conf Semis	Hawks Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	82	33.3	16.7	1.0	2.8	3.8	1.3	1.0	0.2	1.4	2.2	6.6	13.3	.499	1.5	3.6	.401	1.9	2.4	.797
Kyle Korver	74	30.5	10.9	0.3	3.6	4.0	2.0	0.9	0.5	0.9	2.3	3.7	8.1	.461	2.6	5.6	.457	0.9	1.1	.859

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	10	30.5	12.5	0.9	2.6	3.5	1.1	0.4	0.0	1.0	2.5	5.1	11.3	.451	1.0	3.2	.313	1.3	1.6	.813
Kyle Korver	6	29.5	10.2	0.0	3.3	3.3	0.7	0.3	0.7	1.0	2.3	3.2	8.2	.388	2.0	5.7	.353	1.8	2.0	.917


Season 11
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1993-94	2013-14
Team	San Antonio Spurs	Atlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Spurs Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Hawks Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	77	33.6	15.2	0.9	2.4	3.3	1.0	0.9	0.1	1.0	1.8	6.2	12.6	.494	1.7	4.3	.395	1.1	1.4	.776
Kyle Korver	71	33.9	12.0	0.3	3.7	4.0	2.9	1.0	0.3	1.4	2.1	4.1	8.6	.475	2.6	5.5	.472	1.2	1.3	.926

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	4	28.5	10.5	0.8	1.8	2.5	0.3	0.8	0.0	1.0	1.5	4.3	10.8	.395	1.3	4.3	.294	0.8	1.3	.600
Kyle Korver	7	35.7	13.4	0.3	5.0	5.3	0.7	0.6	0.3	1.6	2.1	4.3	9.4	.455	3.3	7.7	.426	1.6	1.7	.917


Season 12
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1994-95	2014-15
Team	Denver Nuggets	Atlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Nuggets Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Hawks Lost East Conf Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	81	24.6	11.3	0.7	2.0	2.7	0.7	0.5	0.1	1.0	1.8	4.3	9.6	.453	1.3	3.2	.403	1.4	1.6	.866
Kyle Korver	75	32.2	12.1	0.2	3.9	4.1	2.6	0.7	0.6	1.4	1.9	3.9	8.0	.487	2.9	6.0	.492	1.4	1.6	.898

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	3	24.3	12.0	2.0	2.7	4.7	1.0	0.7	0.3	0.7	2.0	3.3	9.3	.357	1.3	4.3	.308	4.0	4.3	.923
Kyle Korver	14	37.6	11.1	0.1	4.9	5.0	2.4	1.4	1.1	1.5	1.9	3.7	9.5	.391	2.8	7.9	.355	0.9	1.1	.813


Season 13
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1995-96	2015-16
Team	Denver Nuggets	Atlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Hawks Lost East Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	81	32.4	14.9	1.1	2.8	3.9	1.7	0.7	0.1	1.2	2.4	5.7	11.8	.479	1.9	4.5	.412	1.7	2.2	.760
Kyle Korver	80	30.0	9.2	0.2	3.1	3.3	2.1	0.8	0.4	1.2	2.0	3.4	7.7	.434	2.0	5.0	.398	0.6	0.7	.833

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Kyle Korver	10	31.6	10.3	0.3	4.5	4.8	1.0	0.9	0.4	0.8	2.3	3.5	7.5	.467	2.4	5.4	.444	0.9	0.9	1.000


Season 14
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1996-97	2016-17
Team	Denver Nuggets	Atlanta Hawks, Cleveland Cavaliers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Cavaliers Lost NBA Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	82	35.9	16.6	1.2	2.4	3.6	2.0	0.7	0.1	1.8	2.2	5.8	14.0	.414	2.3	6.4	.364	2.6	3.2	.817
Kyle Korver	67	26.2	10.1	0.1	2.7	2.8	1.6	0.5	0.3	1.0	1.6	3.6	7.7	.464	2.4	5.4	.451	0.6	0.6	.905

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Kyle Korver	18	18.1	5.8	0.1	1.6	1.7	0.7	0.4	0.3	0.4	1.2	1.9	4.4	.425	1.5	3.8	.391	0.6	0.6	1.000


Season 15
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1997-98	2017-18
Team	Seattle Supersonics	Cleveland Cavaliers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Supersonics Lost West Conf Semis	Cavaliers Lost NBA Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	79	24.5	11.8	0.6	1.7	2.3	1.1	0.8	0.1	0.9	1.6	4.4	8.9	.497	1.6	3.5	.464	1.4	1.8	.782
Kyle Korver	73	21.6	9.2	0.1	2.1	2.3	1.2	0.4	0.4	0.8	1.8	3.0	6.6	.459	2.2	5.2	.436	0.9	1.0	.889

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	10	17.2	5.6	0.4	0.9	1.3	0.6	0.2	0.0	0.2	1.0	2.0	5.3	.377	1.1	2.6	.423	0.5	0.6	.833
Kyle Korver	22	23.0	8.3	0.3	2.1	2.4	0.9	0.4	0.4	0.6	2.0	2.7	6.4	.418	2.0	5.0	.413	0.9	1.0	.864


Season 16
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1998-99	2018-19
Team	Seattle Supersonics	Cleveland Cavaliers, Utah Jazz
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Jazz Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	48	25.7	10.3	0.5	1.9	2.4	0.8	0.5	0.1	0.9	1.6	3.6	8.2	.441	2.0	4.5	.433	1.1	1.5	.757
Kyle Korver	70	19.1	8.6	0.1	2.2	2.3	1.2	0.4	0.2	0.8	1.5	2.9	6.9	.416	2.0	5.0	.397	0.9	1.0	.822

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Kyle Korver	4	7.5	2.5	0.3	1.0	1.3	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.3	1.5	0.8	2.0	.375	0.5	1.5	.333	0.5	0.8	.667


Season 17
	Dale Ellis	Kyle Korver
Season	1999-00	2019-20
Team	Milwaukee Bucks, Charlotte Hornets	Milwaukee Bucks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Bucks Lost East Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	42	13.4	4.2	0.3	1.0	1.3	0.3	0.3	0.0	0.5	1.1	1.6	3.8	.415	0.9	2.4	.370	0.2	0.3	.692
Kyle Korver	58	16.6	6.7	0.3	1.8	2.1	1.2	0.4	0.2	0.8	1.3	2.2	5.1	.430	1.7	4.1	.418	0.6	0.7	.854

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Dale Ellis	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Kyle Korver	10	11.9	6.2	0.1	0.7	0.8	0.1	0.3	0.1	0.5	0.9	2.0	4.7	.426	1.5	3.7	.405	0.7	0.7	1.000

Dale Ellis vs. Kyle Korver Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Kyle Korver and Dale Ellis, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

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Comparison Season by Season

Rookie Season

Season 2

Season 3

Season 4

Season 5

Season 6

Season 7

Season 8

Season 9

Season 10

Season 11

Season 12

Season 13

Season 14

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Season 17