Kareem Abdul-Jabbar vs. Randy Wittman Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Randy Wittman and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season / Games against each other

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar played 20 years in the NBA, 11 more than Randy Wittman, who played 9. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had the first of his seasons in 1969-70, while Randy Wittman had his rookie season in 1983-84. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achivements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers

Player
Total Seasons Playoffs Played NBA Years
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 20 18 1969-70 to 1988-89
Randy Wittman 9 6 1983-84 to 1991-92

Comparison Season by Season

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Rookie Season

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1969-701983-84
Team Milwaukee BucksAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA Second Team-
Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
Achievement Rookie of the Year-
Achievement All-Rookie First Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Bucks Lost East Div FinalsHawks Lost East Conf 1st Rd
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 82 43.1 28.8 - - 14.5 4.1 - - - 3.5 11.4 22.1 .518 - - - 5.9 9.1 .653
Randy Wittman 78 13.7 4.5 0.2 0.7 0.9 0.9 0.2 0.0 0.4 1.1 2.1 4.1 .503 0.0 0.1 .400 0.4 0.6 .609
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 10 43.5 35.2 - - 16.8 4.1 - - - 2.5 13.9 24.5 .567 - - - 7.4 10.1 .733
Randy Wittman 5 19.2 8.0 1.0 0.8 1.8 2.2 0.2 0.0 0.8 1.0 4.0 7.4 .541 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -

Season 2

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1970-711984-85
Team Milwaukee BucksAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards Achievement Finals MVP-
Achievement Season MVP-
Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
Achievement Scoring Leader-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA ChampionDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 82 40.1 31.7 - - 16.0 3.3 - - - 3.2 13.0 22.5 .577 - - - 5.7 8.3 .690
Randy Wittman 41 28.5 9.9 0.4 1.4 1.8 3.0 0.7 0.2 1.4 1.4 4.6 8.6 .531 0.0 0.2 .286 0.7 1.0 .732
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 14 41.2 26.6 - - 17.0 2.5 - - - 3.2 10.9 21.1 .515 - - - 4.9 7.2 .673
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 3

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1971-721985-86
Team Milwaukee BucksAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards Achievement Season MVP-
Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement Scoring Leader-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Bucks Lost West Conf FinalsHawks Lost East Conf Semis
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 81 44.2 34.8 - - 16.6 4.6 - - - 2.9 14.3 24.9 .574 - - - 6.2 9.0 .689
Randy Wittman 81 34.1 12.9 0.6 1.5 2.1 3.8 1.0 0.2 1.4 1.5 5.8 10.9 .530 0.1 0.2 .313 1.3 1.7 .770
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 11 46.4 28.7 - - 18.2 5.1 - - - 3.2 12.6 28.9 .437 - - - 3.5 4.9 .704
Randy Wittman 9 38.7 17.8 0.4 2.2 2.7 3.3 1.1 0.1 1.4 1.8 7.9 15.0 .526 0.0 0.2 .000 2.0 2.9 .692

Season 4

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1972-731986-87
Team Milwaukee BucksAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Bucks Lost West Conf SemisHawks Lost East Conf Semis
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 76 42.8 30.2 - - 16.1 5.0 - - - 2.7 12.9 23.3 .554 - - - 4.3 6.1 .713
Randy Wittman 71 28.9 12.7 0.4 1.3 1.7 3.0 0.5 0.2 1.2 1.5 5.6 11.2 .503 0.1 0.2 .333 1.4 1.8 .787
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6 46.0 22.8 - - 16.2 2.8 - - - 4.3 9.8 23.0 .428 - - - 3.2 5.8 .543
Randy Wittman 9 33.3 16.4 0.3 1.7 2.0 3.3 0.4 0.4 1.3 2.4 7.4 13.4 .554 0.0 0.0 - 1.6 1.9 .824

Season 5

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1973-741987-88
Team Milwaukee BucksAtlanta Hawks
Honors & Awards Achievement Season MVP-
Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Bucks Lost NBA FinalsHawks Lost East Conf Semis
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 81 43.8 27.0 3.5 11.0 14.5 4.8 1.4 3.5 - 2.9 11.7 21.7 .539 - - - 3.6 5.2 .702
Randy Wittman 82 29.4 10.0 0.5 1.6 2.1 3.7 0.6 0.2 1.0 1.4 4.6 9.6 .478 0.0 0.0 - 0.9 1.1 .798
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 16 47.4 32.2 4.2 11.6 15.8 4.9 1.3 2.4 - 2.6 14.0 25.1 .557 - - - 4.2 5.7 .736
Randy Wittman 12 28.7 11.4 0.8 1.4 2.2 3.6 0.6 0.1 1.1 2.0 5.5 10.2 .541 0.0 0.0 - 0.4 0.6 .714

Season 6

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1974-751988-89
Team Milwaukee BucksSacramento Kings, Indiana Pacers
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
Achievement Blocks Leader-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Did Not PlayDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 65 42.3 30.0 3.0 11.0 14.0 4.1 1.0 3.3 - 3.2 12.5 24.4 .513 - - - 5.0 6.6 .763
Randy Wittman 64 17.5 4.5 0.4 0.8 1.3 1.7 0.4 0.0 0.5 0.7 2.0 4.5 .455 0.0 0.1 .500 0.4 0.6 .683
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ------- --- ----------
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 7

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1975-761989-90
Team Los Angeles LakersIndiana Pacers
Honors & Awards Achievement Season MVP-
Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
Achievement Rebounds Leader-
Achievement Blocks Leader-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Did Not PlayPacers Lost East Conf 1st Rd
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 82 41.2 27.7 3.3 13.5 16.9 5.0 1.5 4.1 - 3.6 11.1 21.1 .529 - - - 5.5 7.8 .703
Randy Wittman 61 8.9 2.1 0.1 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.1 0.1 0.4 0.3 1.0 2.0 .508 0.0 0.0 .500 0.1 0.1 .833
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ------- --- ----------
Randy Wittman 2 5.5 0.0 0.0 0.5 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 .000 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -

Season 8

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1976-771990-91
Team Los Angeles LakersIndiana Pacers
Honors & Awards Achievement Season MVP-
Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Lakers Lost West Conf FinalsPacers Lost East Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 82 36.8 26.2 3.2 10.0 13.3 3.9 1.2 3.2 - 3.2 10.8 18.7 .579 - - - 4.6 6.5 .701
Randy Wittman 41 8.7 1.8 0.1 0.7 0.8 0.6 0.2 0.1 0.2 0.2 0.9 1.9 .443 0.0 0.1 .000 0.1 0.1 .667
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 11 42.5 34.6 4.6 13.1 17.7 4.1 1.7 3.5 - 3.8 13.4 22.0 .607 - - - 7.9 10.9 .725
Randy Wittman 1 6.0 2.0 0.0 0.0 0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.000 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -

Season 9

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1977-781991-92
Team Los Angeles LakersIndiana Pacers
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA Second Team-
Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
Playoffs Lakers Lost West Conf 1st RdDid Not Play
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 62 36.5 25.8 3.0 9.9 12.9 4.3 1.7 3.0 3.4 2.9 10.7 19.4 .550 - - - 4.4 5.6 .783
Randy Wittman 24 4.8 0.7 0.0 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.1 0.0 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.8 .421 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.1 .500
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 3 44.7 27.0 4.7 9.0 13.7 3.7 0.7 4.0 4.7 4.7 12.7 24.3 .521 - - - 1.7 3.0 .556
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 10

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1978-79-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA Second Team-
Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
Achievement Blocks Leader-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Lakers Lost West Conf Semis-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 80 39.5 23.8 2.6 10.2 12.8 5.4 1.0 4.0 3.5 2.9 9.7 16.8 .577 - - - 4.4 5.9 .736
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 8 45.9 28.5 2.3 10.4 12.6 4.8 1.0 4.1 3.6 3.3 11.0 19.0 .579 - - - 6.5 7.8 .839
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 11

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1979-80-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement Season MVP-
Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
Achievement Blocks Leader-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA Champion-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 82 38.3 24.8 2.3 8.5 10.8 4.5 1.0 3.4 3.6 2.6 10.2 16.9 .604 0.0 0.0 .000 4.4 5.8 .765
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 15 41.2 31.9 3.4 8.7 12.1 3.1 1.1 3.9 3.7 3.4 13.2 23.1 .572 0.0 0.0 - 5.5 7.0 .790
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 12

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1980-81-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Defensive First Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Lakers Lost West Conf 1st Rd-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 80 37.2 26.2 2.5 7.8 10.3 3.4 0.7 2.9 3.1 3.1 10.5 18.2 .574 0.0 0.0 .000 5.3 6.9 .766
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 3 44.7 26.7 4.3 12.3 16.7 4.0 1.0 2.7 3.7 4.7 10.0 21.7 .462 0.0 0.0 - 6.7 9.3 .714
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 13

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1981-82-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA Champion-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 76 35.2 23.9 2.3 6.4 8.7 3.0 0.8 2.7 3.0 2.9 9.9 17.1 .579 0.0 0.0 .000 4.1 5.8 .706
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 14 35.2 20.4 2.4 6.1 8.5 3.6 1.0 3.2 2.9 3.2 8.2 15.8 .520 0.0 0.0 - 3.9 6.2 .632
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 14

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1982-83-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA Second Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Lakers Lost NBA Finals-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 79 32.3 21.8 2.1 5.4 7.5 2.5 0.8 2.2 2.5 2.8 9.1 15.5 .588 0.0 0.0 .000 3.5 4.7 .749
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 15 39.2 27.1 1.7 6.0 7.7 2.8 1.1 3.7 3.3 4.1 10.9 19.1 .568 0.0 0.1 .000 5.3 7.1 .755
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 15

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1983-84-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Defensive Second Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Lakers Lost NBA Finals-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 80 32.8 21.5 2.1 5.2 7.3 2.6 0.7 1.8 2.8 2.6 9.0 15.5 .578 0.0 0.0 .000 3.6 4.9 .723
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 21 36.5 23.9 2.7 5.6 8.2 3.8 1.1 2.1 2.1 3.4 9.8 17.7 .555 0.0 0.0 - 4.3 5.7 .750
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 16

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1984-85-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement Finals MVP-
Achievement All-NBA Second Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA Champion-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 79 33.3 22.0 2.1 5.8 7.9 3.2 0.8 2.1 2.5 3.0 9.2 15.3 .599 0.0 0.0 .000 3.7 5.0 .732
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 19 32.1 21.9 2.6 5.5 8.1 4.0 1.2 1.9 2.7 3.5 8.8 15.8 .560 0.0 0.0 - 4.2 5.4 .777
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 17

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1985-86-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-NBA First Team-
Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Lakers Lost West Conf Finals-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 79 33.3 23.4 1.7 4.4 6.1 3.5 0.8 1.6 2.6 3.1 9.6 16.9 .564 0.0 0.0 .000 4.3 5.6 .765
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 14 34.9 25.9 1.9 4.1 5.9 3.5 1.1 1.7 3.0 3.9 11.2 20.1 .557 0.0 0.0 - 3.4 4.4 .787
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 18

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1986-87-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA Champion-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 78 31.3 17.5 1.9 4.8 6.7 2.6 0.6 1.2 2.4 3.1 7.2 12.7 .564 0.0 0.0 .333 3.1 4.4 .714
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 18 31.1 19.2 2.2 4.7 6.8 2.0 0.4 1.9 2.2 3.1 6.9 13.0 .530 0.0 0.1 .000 5.4 6.8 .795
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 19

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1987-88-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA Champion-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 80 28.9 14.6 1.5 4.5 6.0 1.7 0.6 1.2 2.0 2.7 6.0 11.3 .532 0.0 0.0 .000 2.6 3.4 .762
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 24 29.9 14.1 2.0 3.4 5.5 1.5 0.6 1.5 1.9 3.4 5.9 12.7 .464 0.0 0.1 .000 2.3 3.0 .789
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------

Season 20

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Randy Wittman
Season 1988-89-
Team Los Angeles Lakers-
Honors & Awards Achievement All-Star Game-
Playoffs Lakers Lost NBA Finals-
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 74 22.9 10.1 1.4 3.1 4.5 1.0 0.5 1.1 1.3 2.6 4.2 8.9 .475 0.0 0.0 .000 1.6 2.2 .739
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 15 23.4 11.1 0.9 3.1 3.9 1.3 0.3 0.7 1.5 2.9 4.5 9.8 .463 0.0 0.0 - 2.1 2.9 .721
Randy Wittman ------- --- ----------